
倪叔
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54. 2025 Singles’ Day Notes: Douyin’s Change of Tune, the Instant-Commerce War, E-Commerce Tax… E-Commerce Reaches an Inflection Point
E-commerce tax and rising traffic costs are eroding the low-margin model, with some merchants facing losses or exit after tax assessments. Competitive bidding keeps spending high despite a leading brand’s 1:1.12 livestream ROI before returns, while flash-shopping user retention and incremental value await Singles’ Day and December Meituan and Alibaba reports.
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- 卫诗婕开场将抖音电商退潮、即时零售大战和电商税落地视为行业承压信号。 倪叔称今年是他“入行以来感觉最悲观的一年”:去年“国内电商沦为三流赛道、不存在纯粹电商红利”还是预判,今年已成现实。杭州的电商人大部分“要么在转向线下,要么在做出海”,国内电商市场的陷落是结构性的,短期难以恢复。
- 讲了十几年的电商税今年真正落地,打破了部分商家的薄利跑量模式。 大量商家收到短信,需解释7、8、9月平台经营数据与申报税务收入的差异;在“每一单的利润可能只有两到三毛钱”的现状下,被查后补税就可能铁亏——“要么亏损,要么跑路”。倪叔认为背后动因是国家反内卷:电商不再因为是创新者而受到保护、得到优待。
- 本期核心是算法对行业的“隐蔽的掠夺”:卫诗婕认为算法每次计算都在把同一个流量卖出最好的价钱,若缺乏克制就会驱使平台撺掇品牌竞争。 倪叔举例:某类目全国前二品牌一场直播烧RMB18M广告流量费,ROI仅1:1.12且不算退货,系统因未到RMB20M档只返RMB10K且限定继续投流;上市公司为了业绩和竞争地位仍难停下,最终“越努力越亏钱”,只剩虚假GMV。
- 即时零售大战的本质是存量时代“找一个打得动的对手”:倪叔认为阿里应该感谢刘强东,因为这场战争帮助大家发现了美团。 他转述行业消息称,美团即时零售先触碰了京东最核心的3C蛋糕;但卫诗婕指出,即时零售做不了家电和房地产,市场纵深有限,是对电商的延伸和补充,必须打却不是电商市场的未来。
- 倪叔梳理马总回归后的三次战争:AI电商正确但不解决当下(“电子商务核心是商务而不是电子”),内容化是“用极贵的用户流量做极便宜的用户流量的事”且“用敌人的方法打敌人”不可能成功,闪购则尽量把钱补给消费者而非渠道。 该市场还有运力壁垒,拼多多、抖音有钱有流量也进不来,京东退出后主要是阿里与美团的战争。
- 观察点是双11能否检验闪购对原有业务的增量,以及美团12月财报和阿里财报的再次对撞。 卫诗婕认为这可能是阿里“有史以来最五味杂陈的一个双十一”,但阶段性结果不是巨大胜利,真正考题是用户能沉淀多少。她转述官方口径称闪购为淘天带来100M新增用户,并听说淘天大约从8、9月开始重写商品库、上线AI万能搜,未来可能从电商平台重构为AI+生活服务的超级入口。
- 更大的拐点是确定性重回线下:当年淘宝“3个月加5台服务器”对比百安居“$30M、10K名员工、3年”的效率飞地时代已发生变化。 今天线下开200-300平方米大店的租金,可能相当于线上电商一天的投流费用;但卫诗婕仍认为AI可能重塑满足需求的方式,倪叔也表示要相信美好的事物会发生,只是今年的悲观同样真实。
03. Lessons from History’s Most Brutal 6·18: How We Can Break Free from a Society of Mutual Harm
2024’s 6·18 exposed not failed discounts but a broken pact among platforms, merchants and consumers, with costs concentrated on merchants. Brands withdrawing price cuts, traffic spending and subsidies drove major-streamer GMV down sharply, while roughly 80% apparel returns and excess capacity leave the next 6·18’s sustainable redesign unresolved.
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The core problem with 2024’s 6·18 was not that discounts stopped working, but that the interest pact among platforms, merchants and consumers broke down. Once consumers became the most valuable stakeholder and platforms refused to injure themselves, the cost landed on merchants. 倪叔 summed it up: “When the platform and the user stand together, the merchant is the sacrifice.”(平台和用户站在一起的时候,商家就是那个牺牲品)Refund-without-return policies, platform price comparison and mandatory low prices were not isolated policies, but the result of profit being redistributed in a buyer’s market.
The clash between 沈浩波 and JD.com exposed, above all, a decline in JD.com’s competitiveness and strategic discipline. JD.com lacks content, livestreaming and topic-generation capabilities, leaving it to answer Pinduoduo with a return to low prices—forcing a roughly 500,000-person heavy-asset system to compete on cost with a platform employing fewer than 10,000 people. 倪叔’s verdict was blunt: “What do I rely on to fight Pinduoduo in a price war? I rely on bleeding merchants to feed consumers.”
Brands pulling back their spending was the real variable behind the cliff-like collapse in major-streamer GMV. 卫诗婕 said first-wave livestream data for every major Douyin streamer fell by more than 70%; 倪叔 then said major-streamer performance was down 90% across the board. Users did not suddenly disappear; brands stopped accepting price cuts, buying traffic and subsidizing transactions. The old GMV boom was a composite of brand resources, streamer trust and platform traffic. Once brands withdrew, the performance that had appeared to belong to streamers evaporated.
The “Pinduoduo-ification of white-collar consumption” means brand premiums are facing a structural headwind. 倪叔 said last year marked a break in the “you get what you pay for” consumer pact: white-collar workers who once disdained Pinduoduo began looking only at price, discovering that “if I give up brands, my life gets better.” As demand shifted from upgrading consumption toward use value, the path of sustained growth through better quality and brand logic was cut off.
The traffic dividend in livestream commerce has shifted from streamers back to platforms, and the larger the scale, the harder it is to sustain margins. Streamers once acquired traffic cheaply, then retailed it to brands; today platforms consume brand budgets first, while streamers must buy traffic at full price—and sometimes cannot buy it even after paying. With domestic e-commerce net margins squeezed to roughly 2 to 3 percentage points, 倪叔 offered the industry’s verdict: “A first-rate industry needs only third-rate talent; a third-rate industry needs first-rate talent to survive.”
An average 80% return rate in women’s apparel is the clearest example of how “mutual harm” becomes self-reinforcing. Merchants delay shipments, circulate returned goods and pass the resulting costs on to legitimate buyers; the more rule-followers lose out, the more likely they are to join the return camp. At the same time, platform price comparison and precision ad targeting let low-quality copies directly intercept the customers of original merchants. “In the end, there are no winners”—only platforms continuously collecting ad fees.
Excess capacity across the economy makes capacity reduction a more important theme than any one-off recovery in consumption. Guangzhou women’s-apparel merchants began clearing inventory and exiting at the first major marketing event after Lunar New Year; the maternity-and-infant market has declined for 5 consecutive years, yet brands still set 30% growth targets and build capacity that takes 3 years to come online. As long as every player treats industry contraction as “someone else’s decline,” price wars, cash-flow collapse and industry shakeout are not accidents but the consequence of growth inertia.
6·18 may not continue in its current form, and the next commercial pact must shift from growth to sustainability. 倪叔 thinks “there may not be a 6·18 next year,” while also saying the probability of having no 6·18 at all is small. The common ground is that, if 6·18 continues, simply copying this year’s model is pointless; the next edition must be a wholly new pact that “just happens to still be called 6·18.” The program ultimately points to the Pangdonglai model of operating at a limited scale and to Japan’s long-lived companies as alternative models: stop expanding without limit, and let employees, customers and operators survive within a manageable scale. “Do not waste any recession.”(不要浪费任何一次萧条)